I recently came across this during my insomniac net-diving (and am writing this under similar circumstances -_-;). What scares me the most about it is that I can easily see the logic in it. Heck, in many ways, it represents what the ideal theological mindset is (there are some definite holes though).
The initial freedom of religion thing was in part an effort for puritains to escape from the psuedo-theocracy of the british church. However, when they tried to enact exclusivistic policies on their colonies, it didn’t work so well. I forgot which colony was “puritains only.” It would be hilarious if it was Roanoke, considering what happened to it, but I digress.
Anyways, all the major religions I know of have one thing in common; requisite of belief in order to get into whatever their version of heaven is. If you are a true believer, then all other religions are wrong (or “missing the most important part”, see also Jews Vs Christians) by default. Because I know Christianity the best (for a number of personal reasons), I’ll focus on their view of the situation. This is not an attempt to single out one religion, just use the one I know best and can therfor represent most accurately as an example.
Anyway, why this sadly makes sense (I even linked it again for emphasis XD). Note, all quotes are sic.
“Congress shall make no laws.prohibiting the free exercise thereof (i.e., of religion).” [...] When those words, however, are carefully examined in view of God’s moral law, which commands mankind to perform his supreme responsibility to love, honor, obey and worship only the true God, and to abstain from idolatry, we see that the first amendment actually insolently violates God’s moral law and brazenly gives America’s inhabitants the deceptive “right” and “freedom” to honor, obey and worship whatever false gods they desire. It prevents congress from making laws against the inhabitants practicing agnosticism, freethinking and atheism, from making laws against them honoring, obeying and worshiping satan and from making laws against them even blaspheming the true God.
Let’s break down this argument.
-The first commandment is “I the LORD am thy GOD, thou shall not have any other gods besides me.” This is an admonition against Idolartry.
-Several times in the bible has it mantained that YHVH “…is a jealous god.”
-In both the Pentateuch and the era of the nation of isreal (judges, the davidian era, etc), YHVH had ordered the complete destruction of various places of idolatry (to the point where someone received divine punishment for NOT killing everyone down to the last baby).
-Deuteronomy states that if someone tries to convert you to any alternate religion, you are to publically execute them by stoning them to death.
-King Solomon was punished for allowing alternate religions to exist in Israel
-The bible states the law is as true today as the day it was written (Mat 5:18).
-One of the things Christians strive to do in their goal of godliness is learn to hate sin. While there is some debate whether or not certain sins have a greater weight then others, Idolatry seems to be among the most detested. It seems to be the one God took the most extreme action against.
-While christians are obligated to obey the laws of the nations they are in, this is nullified if the law goes against god (and the previous examples show that societal tolerance of idolatry does just that).
Conversely, this part of that argument has several holes
-Christianity is at its roots the seeking of salvation through the sacrifice of Christ. This is something someone comes to by choice (or predestination, if you are a Calvinist), not by legal mandate
-All governments (with the possible exception of biblical Israel) are effectively a part of “the world”, an entity which christianity must be detached from
-No figure of the new testament, including Jesus, EVER openly challenged a nation because their laws allowed what would be considered idolatry. Instead, the great commission was to “save people” from within.
One later part of that manifesto states the following
The inhabitants of a society should never be given idolatrous freedom. Such evil “rights” should never exist and be protected by the laws of the land. It’s the solemn responsibility of the lawmaking body of a society to make an unmistakable distinction between the holy and unholy, while discouraging the unholy. By so doing, the government performs its proper role of perpetuating the proper values a society should embrace, and lays the foundational principles that promotes the true good of every inhabitant of that society. The legislative body of a nation should embrace laws commanding the honor, obedience and worship of the true God alone, while also outlawing the existence, emergence and importation of idolatrous religions, customs, ideologies, philosophies and opinions and sentiments which tend towards the same. There should be a heavy penalty against anyone who performs anything that dishonors the true God.
This is biblical isreal in a nutshell (the “severe penalties” were often execution). In fact, on various levels, I’m sure the true believers still wish for this. Tom Short once said that “…it would be ideal if homosexuality was illegal (it still is in many states) and the laws were enforced.” While I’m not entirely convinced on the bible’s banning of homosexuality as the intended message of the oft-quoted passages, that’s another article. The point is that this is an example of a “man of god” who wishes for what he perceives as divine mandate to be U.S. law. People claim that the laws of the United States were formed off of the biblical standards (including Tom Short), but if that were true, then freedom of religion would not be there AT ALL. I am assuming that if “both” are true, then that law was put in place to prevent another church of england like entity from springing up by separating church and state.
However, like with the previous part, there is a counter point. I forgot which epistle it was, but Paul himself said something to the effect of “the law is holy, but if we only needed that (or could keep to it), then there would be no need for Christ to die at all.” In my opinion, it was trying to do something very similar in Rome (the enforced christianity of emperor Constantine) that took a lot of the “essence” of it out of the church and caused many schisms within (despite the fact that they are all supposed to be a part of “one service”).
There’s no way that a government can exist and function to any degree apart from that government being established upon some type of philosophy or ideology, which amounts to religion of some sort. Since government should function apart from corruption, it would have to do so properly according to the righteous laws of God. If it doesn’t, it will do so according to the laws of another god – namely Satan – regardless of the philosophy or ideology upon which it is established. Therefore, in the truest sense, government cannot be separated from religion whether it honors God or not.
[...]Since those who believed in democracy prevailed over all the other beliefs, democracy became the religion upon which America was established.
Like with his previous rhetoric, I can see where he is coming from. Don’t get me wrong, I don’t agree or support his ideas, but I can follow the logic. He is advocating an old testament ideology, a nation built upon the bilbical laws. One where attempts at conversion lead to execution. While I honestly doubt he has the love that is supposed to be the guiding force behind the laws, he does have a starkly similar logic framework to the ideas of the laws established in the pentatuch.
However, like I said last time, if that were really what being godly was all about, the whole “blood of the lamb of god thing” would never have come to be. Incidentally, would this persons laws command animal sacrifice? It was stated in the bible (and the law has not been annuled, so sayeth Matthew 5:18).
Because of the vast array of heathenism, varying values are embraced by the inhabitants of the land. Practically everyone defines morality for themselves according to their own deceptive sense of right and wrong, or according to their value system. Although everyone differs in their beliefs, they are all right in their own eyes. Each of these differing value systems produce groupings among the inhabitants, which cause competition, disunity, disagreements, quarrels, hatred, fights, ongoing wars and schisms of all types. This discordance produces broken families, broken marriages, severed relationships between friends and associates – which produces much hurt, harm and even death. All of this in turn results in much litigation and needless petitioning of the government for redress of the grievances produced by the schism. But it is the government which allows the schisms to take place through the varied and foolish religions, philosophies, ideologies and etc., it allows the inhabitants to practice. Thus a foolish cycle of evil is produced by the first amendment.
It shouldn’t be difficult for the leaders, the so-called educated and the so-called experts of America to perceive the simple fact that an homogeneous society is better than a heterogeneous or pluralistic society. A society whose government imposes all of the moral laws of God upon its inhabitants is better than a society that allows heathenism. Righteous unity in a society is crucial to peace and harmony in a society.
Now we come to the meat of the argument. In all honesty, this has been the law of the land until the time of Rome. “Limit one religon per tribal society” was how things went. It is true that many schisms in society are caused by variations in religion attempting to coexist, when their very nature makes them a “follow us or [literally] go to hell” organization. In the eyes of YHVH, anything apart from Judeo-christianity is idolatry. One of the things YHVH seemed to be consistently trying to do is insulate “his people” from alternate faiths.
However, Jesus did not challenge rome in doing something similar despite the fact that the dominant temples at the time were to entities like Cybele. At least not in any of the gospels I know about. One of the things that always threw me (and no doubt, much of the Jewish community) for a loop is that YHVH is “written” VERY differently in the new testament. While I honestly doubt my human mind is capable of comprehending anything close to understanding what a deity even truly is, the way that YHVH is anthromorphized did greatly change. Maybe the coming of Christ marked the decentralization/de-anthropocentricism of “gods elect.” Going from a nation of people with the bloodline of Abraham (bloodline was important to the Jews) to people who surrender their identity and self for the sake of salvation. Possibly a shift in strategy after places like Rome with more then one religion within it were established and had clear military and technological superiority.
The reason why I equate this last part in particular to christianity (albiet, more old testament christianity) is that I’ve always seen the bible as a book of order. God tells people how to live, establishes laws, and gives people a clear guiding purpose. YHVH also tolerates no deviance (particularly toward rivals) in the old testament, and makes what can and cannot be done quite clear. There are no alternate truths, no possibilities of the universe, no “what if” scenarios. It is what god says, PERIOD! Humanity has a singular purpose, to glorify god (it’s in Isaiah(sp?) somewhere). All commandments must be kept. This is not just order for the sake of surface obedience, this is the submission of even “inner freedom.” Right down to the depths of the metaphorical heart until nothing of “you” remains. Christians are supposed to be a “new creation,” who will be “reshaped in gods image.” All character traits and uniquenesses will slowly be whittled out. One person who had experienced this in the past described this as “having the part of the brain that things for ones self switched off.” One is “a slave to christ, purchased at a price.” A slave has no rights, only duties to be carried out. In short, while the face has changed, the bible is unabashedly a book of order.
Conversely, that makes the devil a creature of chaos. What is chaos if not freedom in its purest form. Freedom will always stand opposite to order (which I just established was what the bible preaches). Various forms of “rebellion” (as in, going against the laws) are deemed grievous sins. Heck, sometimes sin itself is defined as “rebellion against god” (aka “breaking the law”). One of the requisites of christianity is to give up ones free thinking mind (and that is precisely what emulating Jesus entails, although not even he could do this 100% of the time). The devils motives are unclear, but one thing he desired was freedom from under gods rule. Whenever an old jewish ruler took matters into his own hands (instead of reliance on YHVH), that person was punished (and deemed “prideful”). Things that go against the established hierarchies (people acting outside of gender roles, for example) are contra-biblical. In short, while there are various metaphors that make it SOUND like freedom is biblical (mostly by people who deny the context that it is “freedom from sin”), freedom and self determination in the sense of leading ones life is contra-biblical. That is among the things the devil sought, and what he still represents.
Of course, nobody can agree 100% on what being godly truly entails. One of the weaknesses of having what the christians call “a teachable heart” is that it is susceptible to the variances of “faith” by the differing subsets of leadership. Honestly, that state of being, empty and being filled with the rhetoric of another (right down to a certian intepretation of it) really REALLY scares me, but I digress.
I’ve heard arguments about the following things being sinful, and my inevitable opinions of them
-Swearing: This is relatively common. While I think excess cussing in leiu of anything more relevant or worth saying is the mark of an “idiocracy” dolt, I don’t see anything inherently wrong with the words themselves. I’m more fond of esoteric words like “vile” anyway, they’re more fun to say XD.
-Going against your parents: According to Pentateuch law, kids should be killed for this. While parental discipline is expected of children, I think a certain degree of willfulness is natural in kids (I am a perfect example). What christianity desires is docile obedient sheep without minds of their own (instead, letting god think for them). Hence the “spare the rod, spoil the child” rhetoric (that is often abused, ironically in the form of abuse).
-Murder: It is easy to see why this is there. Even without the 10 commandments, a law similar to this would have been instituted. The fear of death is a very real thing (to the point people go to stupid lengths to pretend death doesn’t exist), and the laws against killing are a natural cause-and-effect result to make the inhabitants feel safe. While like any society, killing is allowed when the leader (in this case, YHVH) says so, murder in general is forbidden. While I have…different views on death then most, this one is probably the most obvious. While idolatry appears to be the most brutally punished in YHVH’s eyes, this one is probably most detested by people (the easiest “sin to hate”).
-Coveting anything that you don’t have: This is hard for modern society to truly accept. We are conditioned to believe the sentiment that “nobody went to jail for what they thought about doing.” The common sentiment is that “as long as you don’t let it control you, it is healthy to aspire for certain things. These things may already be had by another.” While this passive-aggressive competition and pride thing common to so many people (particularly in various subcultures, including some churches) can easily be contra-biblical, most people be oblivious to it happening or see it as simple “innocent” thoughts. The whole passive-aggressive “I’m better then you” competition thing being denounced is one thing the bible and I agree on. Again, I’ve heard of some christians falling in to this trap (trying to one-up each other with their childrens accomplishments, or going out of their way to “display” how they are obeying the laws by wearing head coverings or making such a big deal out of avoiding “the world” that they won’t even get professional medical attention since hospitals are “of the world” and “god is the ultimate healer.”)
-Women preaching in church: Christianity is inevitably about hierarchy. Most fundamentalist churches separate the men and the women. As a result, they develop completely separate cultures. This is enforced by laws written from a culutre in which men and women never had friendships. All interaction beyond incidental encounters was within the family only (whether that family is “husband and wife”, “father and daughter” or “mother and son”). The men are leaders, and the women are followers who embrace the full spirit of the leadership. The reason for this is that the old jewish covenant with YHVH was modeled after a marriage contract. This is also the reason “virgins” and the proverbs 31 woman was considered a good thing, while “whores” and women who took things in their own hands were considered a bad thing. The way a woman is to act to a man (an inferior in the heirarchy of god, thanks to Eve) is how all are to act to god. It is just one more parallel. Of course, I don’t believe in or embrace any of this. I am DIAMETRICALLY OPPOSED to anything that aggregates gender roles in any way.
-Women in church buildings without head coverings: See previous statement. In addition to that, the whole point was “not to stand out.” Nowadays, head coverings have the opposite effect. Then again, it’s not up to me to determine which laws are valid…
-Pornography: This is something that I’ve heard arguments about this from all walks of life. I can easily see what christians would think is wrong with this (it aggregates lustful thoughts, which is “leading people to sin”). I just never understood what was wrong with this (or any of the whole “sexual sin” things, but I’ll get to that when I cover adultery). It aids the libido with either visual, audio, or text based stimulation. Oh, on a side note, there IS porn for girls. While females are attracted to things visually to an extent, the female libido is driven by different things. This is why text-based porn is more popular. Heck, romance novels (including twilight) are basically porn for girls.
-Lying: This one is probably the most contrary to how our modern society works. We are conditioned that honesty is only ok when it doesn’t hurt anyone. Lying is deemed the polite thing to do to avoid conflict and hurt. Our electoral system encourages the best liars to become our leaders. We are encouraged to lie in order to protect any groups that we have (be they social or occupational). Some view information as power, and honesty would only hurt their position. Others use lies as a means to power.
Power comes from lying, lying and getting the whole world to play along with you. Once you got people believing what they know in their hearts aint true you got ‘em by the balls. [...] Everyone would lie for me, everyone who counts. Otherwise all their own lies, everything that runs Sin City, it all comes tumbling down like a pack of cards -Sen. Roark from Sin City
I value honestly very highly, which makes me a minority among the populace. While I am far from perfectly honest (I’ve lied several times, and have gotten rather good at it), I embrace it as best I can. While it probably doesn’t take a form the bible would seek it to, this is where the bible and I conditionally agree (then again, “conditionally” is just the same as “not at all” in the eyes of any trule believer. It is all or nothing.)
-Stealing: This has become somewhat ambiguous in recent years. What defines stealing? This question isn’t as straightforward as it used to be. Some would use the old taking of physical property definition. However, with the ability to near-perfectly copy data (thus preserving a copy while “taking” another, where nobody loses anything they own), the people who own intellectual property rights say that’s not enough (since they supposedly lose money with pirated copies). Others would go further and say that fanfiction is effectively stealing (warning, the article is biased and…lacking a certain grounding in reality). Am I a thief because I used to write (a considerable amount of) Transformers fanfic back in the day? As you can see, with intellectual property rights, things aren’t so clear.
-Abortion: I never completely understood this one. I can’t find any biblical basis for this. The scriptures quoted are usually the admonitions against murder as well as the whole “quiver full of kids” thing. Honestly, I think all of this is just rooted in the fear of death and the belief that “sex should have consequences, the fear of unwanted pregnancy can save people from the sin of adultery.” I have no doubt that at least some of the supporters are simply projecting their own death upon the whole idea of the unborn being killed (although it speaks to an ambiguity of definition whether or not it is truly “alive”). I could go into this one forever, but that would warrant an entirely separate article.
-Adultery: This is probably the most “major” sin that I fail to see any problem with. In fact, apart from the aforementioned valuing of freedom and self determination; all of my problems with the bible are rooted in how it handles sex, gender, and sexual orientation.
The bible implies this is as bad as murder if the way it is talked about is any indicator. This is one of the easiest sins for americans to hate, since that hatred is ingrained in our culture. I simply broke free of it when I realized it was completely irrational. Paul spoke of excommunicating people who were adulterers from religious fellowship (among a list of other major sins). Since a detachment from the world usually (but not always) involves cutting everyone outside of the “fellowship” off (otherwise you would be “loving them more then him” which makes one unworthy of being a christian, or so he said in the gospels), the people cut off usually have nowhere to go and don’t know how to survive without the fellowship to fall back on. I think the idea is to feel “what it is like to be abandoned by god” so that they are so shaken by the experience they see how serious was and repent. This reflects on how dire the sin is viewed by christianity.
However, I have never NEVER understood why. I know to the hebrew mindset, sex is considered impure. I would speculate that one of the reasons the virgin birth was so important is that the mother was “more pure then is possible.” Paul disliked marriage, but he thought it a “necessary evil” to combat adultery to those whose urges are too strong. Heck, I hypothesize that one of the reasons the gospel according to Mary Magdeline was rejected was because a woman being closer in fellowship to Jesus then Simon Peter would imply a sexual attraction (even if none truly existed). One thing that the separation of male/female cultures bring about is an implication that male/female “fellowship” is implicitly with psuedo-romantic intentions. Only same sex, non-romantic fellowship is “pure.”
Anyway, digression aside, I can’t think of any reason why this is. As long as you don’t have kids you can’t take care of, what is wrong with sex in and of itself? The issue of bloodlines became moot when YHVH was no longer strictly “of the jews.” I say as long as you are responsible about things, I don’t see the problem with it. I deeply love sex, and not just for some cheap physical thrills. With someone I am truly close to it is a deeply emotional experience for me, someone I can trust to really let myself be myself with. Not have any hangups over self-conscious whatnot and just concentrate on her. I don’t see why a contract stating the permanency of a union is required before one can even BEGIN. In fact, that path seems rather dangerous and susceptible to abuse. I could go on about that all day, but that’s a different article.
-Homosexality: On purely issues of value systems, I stand most diametrically opposed to the church on this then anything else. I honestly think that the whole thing is a misinterpretation of the bible. It is an easy “mistake” to make. That’s how the verses “sound.” Furthermore, it involves sex and doing something that doesn’t conform to the norm. Sex is considered “impure”, and christianity is about conforming to a certain path (difference is implicitly frowned upon). It is an exceedingly easy “sin” for (some) americans to “hate” but that is changing.
This is something that so long as this interpretation holds, it will be irreconcilable between them and I. They think of it as only the sexual act. It is “homoSEXuality” to them. They see it akin to any other sexual deviancy, like having sex with children (which the bible does not speak against). They always say “you can deeply love someone without having sex with them.” This is true, however they get confused about the use of the term love. Love is a very broad term in the english languague, and people who know the bible (like any serious christian would) would realize that there are 3 different greek words for different kinds of love. Therefor, they of all people should realize that the “you love your dog, but don’t have sex with it” argument is invalid, since it is a completely different use of the word.
What they do not see is the other aspects of it. Homosexuality isn’t any more or less about sex then heterosexuality is. The bond of romantic love, that trust, that deep and power bond that can’t ever be duplicated. They claim that fellowship should be about a similar bond (minus the sex), but I can’t see that as possible. I have a tight and powerful bond with all of my close friends, each one unique to them. I care about them all very deeply. However, the bond I have with Anna is different, and it isn’t just the sex. In a way, I love them all. However, the very nature of “what that bond is” is simply too different to really call it the same thing. I am not downplaying the importance of my friendships, just saying that there is enough of a difference between close friends and romantic love that you really can’t claim that super close friends are “lovers without(?) the sex.” IMO, it doesn’t work that way, at least the way I feel love (there are 6 different kinds of love, some people feel different kinds then others).
This goes back to how frightening being “blindly teachable” is to me. Leaders propagate THEIR VERSION of the bible to their followers. These followers all claim that theirs and theirs alone is inspired by the holy spirit. If it is “more legalistic” in their view, then it is akin to the pharisees (blind legalism without submitting to the true spirit of the law, another weakness that followers may be susceptible to). If it is less legalistic, then the church is “too soft on sin” and is “lukewarm” (as revelations warns against). However, I digress. I’ll cut this off here so this can be under a terrabyte of text (there is plenty more on this I have not covered).
-Masturbation: Yet again, an easy “sin” to “hate” by americans (it involves sex after all). However, I do not see any clear scriptual evidence against this. Some say it automatically denotes “lust in the heart” (that is possible, but not automatically true). Others make the classic argument that it takes away from the “one acceptable form of sex” between the maried (this usally rolls over with the contraceptive argument, which I’ll cover later). Others say it is “self centered” (not any more then eating, IMO). Some use the story in Genesis about Onan to condemn masturbation. However, the point of the story not that he was wicked for masturbating, but that he was wicked for not fulfilling his duty for his own selfish reasons. Like with the lust in the heart argument, it is “motivation versus deed”, and they got crossed over.
For more information on the subject from christian sources (which I used in my research for this particular topic), see this and this (the latter is particularly informative. It is a site for wives who wish to explore their sexuality with their husbands in a godly way).
-“Sins of the heart”: This is probably the most difficult kind of sin for people to hate. The reason people “hate” sin to begin with is not just that they think it is wrong (although that is definitely a factor), but because they feel they are being judged. It is easy to see things as wrong when the results are physical and obvious (which makes the ambiguity of stealing I mentioned earlier all the more crazy, but I digress). However, as I mentioned earlier, we live in a culture of “nobody went to jail for what they thought about doing.” There is no surefire way to read peoples minds. So long as it is concealed and private, “evil thought” is considered harmless, so long as it does not lead to evil deed. The christian doctrines claim otherwise, stating that evil thoughts equate to evil deeds. A common theme of the bible is “god judges the heart.”
I frankly can’t see what is wrong with this either. Sure, it is good to guard ones self against ones dark side (but not trying to destroy it, you can’t get rid of your shadow), but I think suppression isn’t the answer. Acceptance that it is a part of you, and making sure you control it (rather then it controlling you) is what I’d do. Then again, I’m guilty of so many “sins of the heart” that there is no way to keep track of it all (all societal value systems would conclude me a grossly evil person).
-Anyone under alternate religions: And now we come back to where we started. While it is debated whether there is any difference in weight between sins in the eyes of the lord, the reactions against idolatry were by far the worst. We live in a culture so immersed in tolerance of different viewpoints (which I am thankful for) that “hating” this (or at least acting on it) is literally criminal. This is aggregated further that one of our cultural enemies (Iran and the like) IS a homogeneous theocracy. Whenever an enemy does things one way, the other will do things the opposite way to distance themselves from that. Communists were anti-deism, so we became more religious then we had ever been. Now are enemies are religious fanatics, and we are more secular then we have ever been AFAIK. I know one person who left the christian coalition because they fell in love with a Muslim (and was told that was “a grave sin” and to “cut [that person] off”).
Of course, this depends on where you live. While tolerance is lauded, various permutations of christianity are usually the dominant force. While there is this whole “most of them aren’t true christians” rhetoric, in a general sense, christianity is the most priviledged group in the nation. One of the primary factors that people choose in electing our leaders is their religious background. While Mitt Romney seems to think this worked against him, that was because he was Mormon. The whole “Obama is a muslim” thing proves that beyond a shadow of a doubt (I don’t know whether he is or not). Heck, 60 years ago, it was considered “shocking” that a president was catholic (as opposed to protestant). Anna once showed me some statistics that said that the one thing that would turn away people from a presidential candidate more then any other is that they were an Athiest. Heck, the movie based on Darwin was denied screening in the U.S. because “it might offend people’s religious sensibilities” (and yet, they showed Passion of the Christ). I know one person whom was thoroughly abused because that person was an Atheist. I know of another person who was abused in the U.S. Army because they were Jewish. Here is another bit of rhetoric by one who thinks this is a “christian nation” (I wonder what thus guy would think of the manifesto above?).
I personally am indifferent to all these major relgions (except scientology, that can FOAD). They have their good points and their bad points. Each one is sure that they are the one true way. Whether through subititutionary atonement, good karma, etc. They provide an interesting window into human psychology and cultural differences. In the end though, I can’t bring myself to believe that one is any more valid then the other. The great paradox that always rolls in my mind is “did god(s) create humans or did humans create god(s).”
-A wife being willful (as in, not submissive) toward ones husband: This is something I have a personal issue with. One of the things that I am most drawn to is someone with a force of will (and Anna has that in abundance, man do I love her). The idea of a docile-sheep wife is vile to me. I don’t deride people’s choices, if they choose to live this way that’s their business. However, I fail to comprehend why it is necessary. This just goes back to the whole “covenant with god is akin to a marriage contract” thing (with a sprinkling of the whole curse of eve for good measure). I once heard of a newly married wife who asked me to pray with her to help her learn to be more submissive to her new husband. Again, if this is the kind of life she wants to lead, I am all for it, but I will not embrace it.
I’ve heard the argument that “god simply put order into equality.” Sorry folks, it doesn’t work that way. Placing “order into equality” MAKES it inequality. Arguments like these consdier the “usurping of mens right to rule” heresy. There was another one that said something akin to “women complain that it is ‘abuse’ when their husband demands to know where she is, or commands who she can and cannot be friends with. It may seem unfair, but god gave man dominion over woman, and that is simply exercising that as a responsible head of a household.” By the way, both those previous examples are categorized as abuse (of course, this is “the world”, so it is still “godly” and therefor permissible and encouraged). I have heard some of the stupidest anti-feminist arguments in my research of this part (including “it increases pedophilia”), but I’ll stop here. I could babble about this one all day.
-Not desiring to have children (or avoiding having children): This is the whole quiver-full of children idea. To go against it is to go against god’s plan (or so the argument goes). From what I’ve gathered, the entire purpose of marriage/attraction/sex/etc. is supposed to be for having children. Each one a blessing, and you can never have too many. Getting married without having kids is spitting in the face of god and goes against the very reason he allowed marriage in the first place. Having sex without the intention of procreating is heresy. There is an implicit attitude throughout the bible that sex is ONLY for procreation. Sure it is a fun, enjoyable, beautiful thing. However, if you are going to do it, you need to do it for the purpose of having a child. The joy, emotional healing, bonding, etc. are just god given benefits to fulfilling his plan to reproduce. To not have children despite being married is “selfish” (although I would argue that the motives for most people who do want to have kids are often equally as selfish).
I for one don’t desire to have any children. I have my (many) reasons for this, which I won’t go into here. If Anna does want kids, I will discuss it with her. However, I don’t think I should, and it is hardly for “selfish” reasons (if anything, part of my motivation is a sense of responsibility to the human race, but I’ll not go into that). This transitions well to the next topic…
-The use of contraceptives (including among the married): Whenever I think of this, I think of this. As I said earlier, there is an implicit attitude in the bible that sex is solely for procreation. A man is only to have sex with his wife, and must always be ready and willing to accept the babies. Some see this as making adultery more accessible. However, among the married, this argument is null and void. I find it ironic that children are seen as a blessing to the married and simultaneously viewed as a just punishment for an audulteress (quite the contradictory view on what the baby is there). Most of the other important points abut this one I mentioned earlier.
-Harry potter: Man oh man, this one amuses me. The common argument here is that Harry Potter is promoting witchcraft. Most people dismiss magic of any kind as fantasy. However, since it was present in the bible (particularly the Pentateuch), some christians treat it as VERY real. There is also the whole “alternate relgion” thing attached to it (wicca). Combined with idolatry, I think this pretty much sums it up the biblical admonition against witchcraft

It’s difficult to take this kind of thing seriously. Especially when supporting views are like this, this, this, and CAP alert’s take on every single harry potter movie (here, here, here, here, here, and here). However, people like Jack chick (referenced in the first link on this paragraph) seem to think that it is as real as it gets. I frankly think this whole thing “hate harry potter” thing is so stupid it’s its own satire.
-Rock music (including christian rock): This one is another among the WTF trinity of this first section. The argument as I understand it is that the basis of the music is evil. The name “was meant to describe fornication.” I’ve even heard one go so far as to say that any music apart from the songs in the bible (psalms, song of songs, etc) are innately immoral (they are “of the world” after all). Here is how Jack Chick tries to explain it. A more in depth explanation is here.
I frankly find this whole anti-rock sentiment stupid. They would make a better case if people like in that last link weren’t insane. I mean, I can see why people like them would hate Bad Relgion (whom are one of my favorite bands, and not just because of the subject matter). However, they go to the stupidest extremes. I wonder what they would think of Steele Croswhite, recognized pastor and chrstian musician (who is in the same group of churches as the aforementioned tom short).
-Dungeons and Dragons: The third on the trinity of things I can’t take seriously. The argument is similar to Harry Potter. Imagining doing these things is akin to “doing them in the heart.” Role playing is justifying the sins of the heart, or something like that. Others think that D&D is the gateway to wicca. Here is another explanation (in the form of a comic-tract). Here is another argument supporting the anti-D&D rhetoric.
Like with the Harry Potter or Christian Rock admonitions. It’s hard to take this seriously when the supporters are generally insane. Having played my share of penci-paper RPG’s, and having DMed a good many campaigns, I don’t know what version of D&D people like this are referring to, but it’s not the one I know about. Many of these things are the fault of the players or DM, not the game itself.
In addition to these commonly held views some…more legalistic sects of churches have have also claimed these things are sinful
-Bilingualism: This is probably the stupidest one I am aware of. The argument I read was that the babble of confusion was meant to separate humanity. Learning another language is supposedly challenging god. If that is the case, then what of the people who translate the bible? They know several languagues (including dead ones).
-Eating fruit from a tree less than 5 years old (Lev. 19:23): I’ve never understood levite law. Then again, all the law is as valid today as it was when it was written, no matter how crazy it seems (or so sayeth Matthew 5:18 anyway).
-Growing 2 different plants in your garden (Lev. 19:19): Wow, this is utterly innocuous. Another crazy levite law that makes no sense to me.
-Getting a tatoo (Lev. 19:28): I’ve seen christians with tatoos. I don’t see any problem with this. Then again, I’m just a mere human 9_9.
-Getting your beard trimmed (Lev 19:27): This is jewish cultual. Ones beard is a sign of pride and status among the jews. Most christians don’t really follow this. Then again, the argument is always “who are we to say what laws can and cannot be obeyed.” This is the fracture point that lead Paul and Peter on different paths (in this case, it was circumcision). Either way, I fail to see what’s wrong with beard trimmery.
-Reading horoscopes or consulting psychics: This is another levite law. I assume this is akin to idolatry (consulting an oracle or someone other then god for divination). Frankly, I think both of these things are idiotic and useless. However, some people like it.
-For men to have long hair: Cultural like the beard things. I don’t understand what hair length has to do with godliness. Then agian, what do I know.
-For women to have short hair: See previous
-Any sexual act that is not male-initiated missionary position sex (including among the married): Assuming a heteronormative, married couple dynamic; I can’t find anything scripture based to make such a restriction. People invoke the various versus of women submitting as examples. If a woman initiates sex, even to her husband, she must be some sort of diabolical jezebel. The attitude of it has changed over time (in fact, I have a great excerpt from a book that explained just how it changed over the years perfectly, but that would take too long). This is also coupled with the gender dynamics of the time it was written (which doesn’t make sense, since one of the keys to “walking with jesus” is detachment from “the world”, it would explain the lack of scriptual evidence). In greco-roman cultures, the man (vir) was always the “giver/pitcher/seme.” Everyone else, be they boy, woman, or slave of any kind, was the “taker/catcher/uke.” While christian doctrine restricts this to “man and wife”, and gender normative ideals (combined with a stereotype of the asexual woman) reinforce this dynamic, this is nothing better then a cultural stereotype. Even evangelical sex advice manuals (“advice for the married” and all that) usually play by this. For example …the secular world says that we women are allowed to tell our husband that we don’t want sex. However, through the love of Jesus Christ, we can be warm and receptive to all our husbands desires. Notice a conspicuous lack of desires on the part of the “wife.”
Another avenue this takes apart from the initiator is the varying methods. I’ve heard pastors decry “new positions” as an excuse, and are not needed. “If you truly love eachother and have jesus in your heart, there is no need for that.” While from their perspective that may be true, but there is no need for coffee when one can drink water. That doesn’t stop people from wanting it. Furthermore, using the drink analogy, there is no reason one cannot explore different “flavors” of drinks, despite there being no “need” to deviate.
This idea also extends to how non vaginal-penetrative sex is inherently evil. One example is oral sex. Some pastors think it is just a sick act of “the world”, allowing adultery (whether or not it is only “of the heart” is up for debate) and circumventing the consequences (see entries on contraception and having children). Again, I can’t see any scriptural evidence to support that (and these girls whom all appear to be true believers, would agree with me). Same with anal sex. While the lattermost is not my thing, there is nothing wrong with it (again, I have support on this). I can’t find anything of scripture to say these are evil.
The reasons ultimately lie in that it involves sex. It is THE forbidden topic. Something parents cant bring themselves to educate kids about but should, something that people think that common people shirk away from like a plague. Conditioning that gets so severe (especially among some women) that once they are married, they get confused since they spent so much energy avoiding even thinking about wanting it. Certain churches have the complaint that “softer” parishes have learned to love as god loves, but not to hate as god hates (hating sin and all that). In this, it seems to be just the opposite, people in the U.S. hate and fear sex like it was a package of space AIDS that will damage children for life upon the slightest bit of exposure. This is compounded by the loveless pseudo-asexual “no sex, we’re married” dynamics that are so common in this country (that are, frankly, alien to me). Parent’s don’t care about any violence or physical abuses (like their kids being punched) when there are sex things to worry about (at least not in this country). I often ask people “what would be worse, your 15 year old son or daughter being beaten half to death, or that same child having sex wtih someone.” The general sentiment was that those were equally bad (which REALLY perplexes me). I have already babbled about this one for far too long, so I’ll cut it off here.
-The celebration of “religious holidays” (christmas, easter, etc): These holidays are a real schism point. They were all created by the roman catholic church with the intention of converting pagans and outsiders. Christmas was initially a pagan winter festival, that was “absorbed” and granted legitimacy by saying it celebrated Jesus’ birthday (despite the fact that he was born around march/april or so). Easter was just passover, but since that is when Christ was crucified (admittedly a powerful collection of symbolism. The lamb of god being sacrificed for sin on the day celebrating god delivering the jews from egypt), they incorporated that. I believe it was combined with some pagan springtime festival (the whole easter bunny thing was jammed in there from that I think). These holidays are not really religious unless you make them that way. They vary greatly with culture (for example, Xmas eve is THE “date holiday” in Japan), and are just that, cultural holidays. In fact, one the the reasons for the reformation and the reasons the puritains left the old country was because of these holidays “of the church of rome.”
However, there’s nothing WRONG with celebrating them. There are all these arguments that god hates these things, and that they shouldn’t exist in a “judeo-christian world.” The holidays are cultural, and that’s fine by me. They don’t have THAT much meaning to me (and I reject a lot of the cultural presumptions of them), but there is no reason it must be abolished. It makes my family and some of my friends happy and brings people together. That in itself seemed to be a “blessed” thing, but then again, what do I know.
I was going to babble on where I stand personally with christianity after this (and I did say some of it already), but I’ll save that for another time (and I would just be repeating earlier entries anyway).
Later y’all